Is the hackathon a fair contest?

Well if you read the rules it’s pretty obvious that the community vote prizes will essentially just be a popularity contest (not saying that it’s bad, difficult to do it differently), so it’s a good thing we have the judge vote prizes as well :slight_smile:

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Yeah, helping the ecosystem grow is good, I agree.

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Funds are needed to create projects and develop them. When past winners participate together with young projects, the effect of a bird’s nest is obtained - often only those who managed to grab the last time and are already fat and strong receive food.

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wholeheartedly agree with you

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I totally agree with you

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It’s fair. I have yet to see a lot of initiatives taken by younger projects to integrate or piggyback off other communities while also being respectful to those communities.

Don’t expect to win if your project has done nothing in terms of getting out to the community or if you have then ask yourself “Why isn’t it working?”

  1. Do AMAs, Introduce yourself among already popular communities within TRON to garner support. (You can find this from season 1) Make partnerships and grow together. Let TRONICS see your effort because most just copy + pastes their presentation from other non-Tron Hackathons.

  2. Make sure your Forum Presentation is mind-blowing, neat, and organized. Please compare these two posts JustMoney, which is very well done, and Market True NFTS. The community can see how much effort is put in by both and all it takes is time to present yourself well to investors and the community.

  3. Try to give updates every day on your project post, you can also start helpful forum topics or discussions. I created the lazy guide for S2 because I knew it would help smaller projects at least get noticed and make things a lot easier for everyone.

  4. Make an official Telegram, post on the Tronix Reddit on Dapp Friday. I see that @ToyoDev from Toyoworld posted and they got a ton of Reddit Tronics commenting and giving feedback, make sure you are using Twitter and the #TRON , #TRX hashtags. These are all forms of self-promotion to garner support.

  5. If your project just isn’t gaining any traction then it might not be what people are interested in. When creating a project you should try first asking what do TRONICS think will be good or need? (This would be a good forum topic to start)

Starting an NFT market on TRON is going to be tough when ApeNFT.io is already supported by TRONDAO itself. However, BitTorrent doesn’t have one yet. These are questions participants should be going out to ask.

The community prizes are to incentivize projects to do all of the above and grow a base on TRON.

Anyways, if you have 0 community you shouldn’t expect to win the community vote.

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Well on devpost voting is completely done by judges so no community involvement.

Only on the forum community can vote their favourite project and the project will earn some extra reward.

So community votes don’t make any impact on devpost results.

So i think it’s fair.

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TL/DR Version: Not unfair…in fact I prefer it that way. Read on to see why!

You know, I think this is an awesome question and Im glad someone asked it. Honestly I do see your point. That said, to exclude -NEW- products and services for being associated with established teams would only harm the Tron ecosystem as a whole.

A team that won TronDAO funding still needs to deliver a strong project within the required time frame. Sure, they have funding to help with development and hire help. This is no different than a project backed by a whale.

Example: If Elon Musk were to start a revolutionary service that would positively affect millions of lives, would you turn him away?

The TronDAO Havkathon is as much about community exposure and the prestige that comes with it as it is the funding. Thats not all its about though…

Competiton!

It was the Irish poet Oscar Wilde who once said, “You can always judge a man by the quality of his enemies.”

Now of course none of us our enemies. The one strength I see in Tron I have yet to see anywhere else is how we all lift eachother up. TRONStrong for real. We all push eachother to do better. To BE better. With strong competition we have to be at the top of our game EVERY DAY.

Is funding an advantage? Sure. Can it be overcome with a strong team? I think so. Besides, while they hear our voices in the public voting, the TronDAO judges seem to put at least a little more weight on the final product/service than the popularity.

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It is fair imo, you have to work super hard to make a high quality product, not everything Is about the money, we started as a solo programmer working for 1 full year non stop to come up with the first decent version of our dApp. You have to come closer with the community and be ready to serve. Give first, receive later… some people just want to receive without giving away anything in life and that’s not how it works.

Anyone with a bit of skills, lots of passion and determination can make it.

“Never worry about how much money, ability, or equipment you are starting with; just begin with a million dollars worth of determination”
-John Mason

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Yes I believe it is fair it’s all about putting in the effort to deliver a product tronics like.

Even the new projects had months to mix themselves with tronics and build up their community. Like we have seen some doing. And looks like the Tronics like them as I see those are also getting votes.

New or old project need to work and build to achieve their goal and deliver a product in time.

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I do bet it is, I mean voting is their key here so it plays with majority and can tell that nothing is wrong with that type of system

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I would say it’s more than fair.

the hackaton winners did everything without funding of the Hackaton way before the hackaton even went live!

to cry over not having enough funds in order to be succesfull is what cowards do, honestly.
Success is not about having money, fast money is fast in earning and fast in losing.

You basically come into a made nest and have everything set up already for you.
The old projects have been fighting for years and were never funded by anyone.
participating in the hackaton is not for the money mainly but for the publicity, to build a bigger community, to gain traction.

Most projects I see complaining right now are shitty projects on test net trying to get money and vanish again.
better use your time wisely and build instead of complain.
snowflakes are never successfull.

also the judges are not stupid, they consider everything.
it’s not easier at all for a previous winner because they need to come up with new ideas and need to be creative.

and for me personally: if the project sounds good and they can proof they are doing something → I vote for them as I did right now.
and I am 100% sure the rest of the community does so too.

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Very good summary :+1:

Unfortunately most people who complain only scratch on the surface and only see the money.

But reality is different and you summarized it perfectly.

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I think the Season 2 format is fair and overall is better than season 1.

  • In season 2 teams get the money AFTER the work is done, so to participate they need to commit to the development and finalize it, not just present an idea.
  • The community share of the prizes is 1/5 compared to the judge/experts share. I think it’s a good balance between community engagement and having a fair competition
  • On season 1 there were similar discussions, but in the end the judges/experts confirmed almost all the decisions made by the community. This means that the judges opinions and the community ones were very similar
  • The teams that won season 1 that are in good positions also in round 2 have worked hard to innovate and bring new products out. They are not there because of the money they won on season 1.

Tron needs strong projects delivering innovation. But not only that. A good project without a user base has little value, that’s why the community involvement is so important. We cannot punish a project just because it has a nice community.

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I’m just wondering how one will think that there will be any community votes happening if some projects don’t engage the community to vote?
People don’t show up out of nowhere.

Those community votes on the forum are also happening because the already «established» projects are bringing the people in and engaging them to vote, be it for themselves or others.

Building a community is also #buidling, and it is not easy. But it is an essential factor of having a project, cause people need to know who you are and see your product. This is a business marketing A-B-C.

Most of the leading and «big» projects are telling people to read up well in the different topics, and base their votes off what projects serves the most appealing products to them.

If somebody do enter the Hackathon based off having a solid and great project, why worry about the community votes? The judges will judge the product itself, and I suppose the project do not target the community prize.
It lies in the name, «community prize».

We’ve seen from the last season that project applied, but never continued building on Tron after and didn’t start building a community around their projects. If you want to win the community, you also have to prove that you’re a solid project that will contribute to the Tron ecosystem, because that is where our common interest is. The community prize should, in my opinion, go to a project with a great product that continue to grow, add to and diversify the Tron ecosystem.

Some of the projects do have larger communities, and for sure have an advantage in terms of spreading the awareness of the voting, but if they do it is because they have worked hard for a long time. Which in my opinion is an even better reason to enter a Hackathon. Should only «newcomers» win and get a privileged kickstart to their projects and the teams that have been building for a long time should just keep working hard not getting any recognition for their contribution to the Tron ecosystem?

I think this Hackathon is as fair as it can be, weighing in both the voice of the community (the people that actually use Tron every day), and the judges vote for the tech, functionality and how they see a project can contribute to the ecosystem.

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Thanks! I will say that it definitely can feel like an uphill battle for projects that do not already have funding or such, but the judges select projects based on their potential and proof of concept. As well as the team and ideas behind them, so I agree and think that it’s definitely possible for a smaller project to make a huge run in this hackathon and achieve great things! Competition is great for everyone and makes it so that all projects strive to do better. Just by looking around at many of the great projects around the forum I’ve been inspired to tinker around with systems in my game and improve them further.

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Very well said!! :clap::clap::clap:

Also I checked out your project yesterday, it looks really great! :smile:

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Thanks! We’re glad you think so! Been working super hard on making the best game we possibly can with even more coming soon :muscle:

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My 2 cents is that … by next Hackathon you will be an old project :upside_down_face: @Newbie … blockchain is a long term game … let’s focus on the bigger vision of increasing awareness and adoption :relaxed:

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“To every disadvantage there is a corresponding advantage.” W. Clement Stone

“I have had all the disadvantages required for success.” Larry Ellison

To me, this is about perception of circumstance and what one decides to do with it.

If you perceive you are at a disadvantage you can decide to quit or you can decide to work smarter and harder (which would give you the mental advantage).

“People are not disturbed by things, but by the views they take of them.” Marcus Aurelius

“First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do.” Epictetus

“The way to get started is to quit talking and start doing.” Walt Disney

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