Q. What improvements can we make for TRON Grand Hackathon 2022 Season 3 which is set for mid-September?
(Please suggest all ideas you have. We don’t mind if your post is too long as the TRON DAO team will really read all posts on this thread!)
Reduce the voting time to 5-7 days. It needs to be long enough to allow new users to get to Trust Level 1, but not too long.
Allow only working products the be eligible, or clearly specify the minimum TRL required (working on testnet, mainnet beta, complete version, etc…).
I’d also try to find a way to reduce the number of useless topics started by users trying to get to TL1 (there are probably 10 threads about “what is your favorite project”)
Q. How do you feel about vote buying? How do we draw the lines between promoting a project and asking for vote support, giving incentives to possibly win a prize by voting, and giving tokens/gifts outright to voters?
Community engagement posts, partnerships between projects and promotion on socials are healthy and allow for user base growth. Buying votes and giveaways are a completely different thing and should NOT be allowed.
I think the rules need to be clearer. For example, you need to do x, y and z to be eligible. Where some of the requirements could be
deployed contracts on the tron blockchain with a link to the deployment on tronscan (this rule is pretty normal to see on other devpost hackathons).
A public commit history so judges can see that the project was developed in the hackathon timeframe. This was a rule in a previous hackathon I participated in. This would remove all the projects that just took something old and deployed it on tron for the hackathon.
Open sourced code OR all the code provided to the hackathon judges.
Regarding improvements with the community vote, I think it’s pretty much impossible to make it anything other than a popularity contest, which isn’t necessarily bad since we have the judge prizes aswell! It’s also hard to judge what vote-buying is, and once again this is something that should be set in stone before the vote start, so that it’s not ambiguous. For example, is it allowed to have a telegram group where you give step-for-step instructions on how to vote on a project? I don’t know, but either way it should be clear before the vote starts.
Q. What improvements can we make for TRON Grand Hackathon 2022 Season 3 which is set for mid-September?
(Please suggest all ideas you have. We don’t mind if your post is too long as the TRON DAO team will really read all posts on this thread!)
Although the community voting and interaction is fun, I think it’s better to leave judging solely to the official judges and partners. In the end, their votes will ultimately decided who wins and receives TronDAO support.
Q. How do you feel about vote buying? How do we draw the lines between promoting a project and asking for vote support, giving incentives to possibly win a prize by voting, and giving tokens/gifts outright to voters?
Community interaction is important for support. Buying votes, giving some money incentive or giveaways should not be allowed to keep it fair.
I think it would be fairly easy to remove the common forms of vote buying. If you make a twitter/TG giveaway or you promise an airdrop for every vote, you have to announce it somewhere. Just by monitoring the TG groups will be very easy to spot.
I think there’s nothing wrong in giving instructions to vote or how to get to TL1.
Or just give some merch for the winners of the community vote. Not a prize in cash. So we keep the fun of having a competition judged by the community but without the negative sides (new/old projects debates, paid votes,…)
Im new to this, but vote buying doesn’t seem sustainable. Im going to vote on what i think has the most potential, and a token that can live for years and years to come. And i dont want a price for choosing a project i believe in. The price will be when all of us can enjoy a stable good token that we all believe in.
If, as you said, projects should be allowed to do anything they want cause anyway the community is biased and will vote for the same projects all the time, then the community vote doesn’t make much sense and I would agree with @JasonHunter when he says that it’s better to leave judging solely to the official judges and partners.
With or without community vote, people who are interested in products development can still come here and have a look at every projects.
Community vote is a great thing. If you only allow community’s to win once! When you allow the same projects to run mutliple times i dont see how thats good for the tron community or ecosystem. Lit giving exposure to the same communitys every hackathon seems like a waste of TronDAO funds.
But the goal is to vote for innovative and useful products. Not for teams. If the community vote for teams instead of products that are bringing value to the ecosystem, the purpose of the community vote is missed as well. So there is no point organising it.
If the answer is to exclude previous winners, what will prevent them to come back under an other banner?
And how excluding previous winners will prevent the community from voting for their personal interest instead of the whole ecosystem interest?
If they try that after winning and receiving operating capital they should be immediately disqualified because they are clearly a money grab scammer and have zero business ethics. A person/team like that will do nothing good for Tron overall at the end of the day. You cant really prevent voting for personal interest but once their fav projects have already won they will need to start looking for new projects to support and vote for if they really want to see the tron ecosystem move forward when it comes to community tokens not just justin sun projects…
I agree with you on that. But how will you disqualify them? It’s not really possible unless you do a face-to-face hackathon.
For the second part, I think that excluding projects that keep building quality products isn’t a good option. If the goal is to showcase new great products that will grow the ecosystem and attract users, the quality of the product only should be taken into account. And that’s what the vote of the judges is for.
So either we could stop the community vote… or simply stop granting money to winners of the community vote. That would keep away the cash grabbers. And passionate teams will be happy to get a Tron t-shirt and a tronbull plush.
No improvements besides maybe more moderation when topics get out of hand and are no longer constructive. Also consolidating topics into one topic so that we don’t have people spamming the same topics over and over again. E
Vote buying is illegal in the USA the birthplace of “Modern” democracy. Projects giving any incentives directly undermines any vote and should be disqualified for poor sportsmanship. In the USA people caught vote buying go to jail. Promotion/Campaigns are acceptable.
If creating a topic is not a requirement to reach trust level 1, maybe we could restrict level 0 members from creating topics? There are so many new unrelated topics being made everyday that it’s hard to find those who are interesting to read and engage in.
